@realohtweets @Noahpinion Oh of course Thanos has a bad moral philosophy, and I also totally stan the villification of population-degrowth mentality in general. But villains having bad moral philosophy is expected, after all they are villains.

@realohtweets@Noahpinion当然，塔诺斯的道德哲学很糟糕，我也完全反对人口退化心理的庸俗化。但是，有着糟糕道德哲学的恶棍是意料之中的，毕竟他们是恶棍。

@Noahpinion (I personally really appreciated Avengers: Infinity War for its refreshingly pro-utilitarian message that unwillingness to sacrifice the few for the many can lead to total ruin, but then they had to make a sequel that ruined it)

@诺亚·皮尼翁（我个人非常欣赏《复仇者：无限战争》，因为它传达了一个令人耳目一新的亲功利主义信息，即不愿意为多数人牺牲少数人可能会导致彻底的毁灭，但后来他们不得不拍一部续集，毁了它）

@Noahpinion What is a modern movie that has radical political or moral messaging? Are there any?

@什么是具有激进政治或道德信息的现代电影？有吗？

@dpemmons Eh I talk to a bunch of Russian anti-war activists who rely on cryptocurrency for their day-to-day operations.
@gladstein can probably list way more worldwide examples than I can.
Agree that there's downsides, but the "no real world utility" stuff is way overblown.

@Dpemons呃，我和一群依靠加密货币进行日常运作的俄罗斯反战积极分子进行了交谈。
@gladstein可能比我能列出更多世界范围内的例子。
同意有负面影响，但“没有真实世界的效用”的东西被夸大了。

@EagleESBD Yeah no, the norm that miners can get huge amounts of enshrined in-protocol compensation but developers and other contributors get nothing is one of the more anti-social aspects of crypto.
(Or should I say, of bitcoin? The broader crypto space has mostly moved on from that norm)

@EagleESBD是的，不，矿工们可以获得协议中规定的巨额报酬，但开发者和其他贡献者却一无所获，这是加密的一个更具反社会性的方面。
（或者我应该说，比特币？更广阔的加密空间基本上已经偏离了这一标准）

@stokonomic It depends how you define the movement!
Honestly some of the @optimismPBC governance experiments and the feeling that ethereum identity/rep/social is on the horizon is making me more excited than I have been about social tech in years.

@stokonomic这取决于你如何定义运动！
老实说，一些@optimsimpbc治理实验和以太坊身份/代表/社交即将到来的感觉让我比多年来对社交科技更为兴奋。

@vgr Do you think there was something specific about the 00s that made it (as far as I can tell) a temporarily more convergent era?

@vgr你认为00年代有什么特别的东西使它（据我所知）成为一个暂时更加趋同的时代吗？

@nullchinchilla Right but when they're small you can just build both and ignore the other one. When they're big you sometimes can't.

@Nullchillia是的，但当它们很小时，你可以同时构建它们，而忽略另一个。当它们很大的时候，你有时不能。

@brypto_boy And we don't have to solve every problem in 60 years, we just need to get to longevity escape velocity: 10 years of life extension per decade.

@brypto\u男孩，我们不必在60年内解决所有问题，我们只需要达到长寿逃逸速度：每十年延长10年寿命。

@brypto_boy First computer (ENIAC) to iPhone 13: 76 years
First flying airplane to humans on the moon: 66 years
And the big biomedicine push is going to have AI helping us. https://t.co/nkoeQAjfWI

@brypto\u boy First computer（ENIAC）推出iPhone 13:76年
第一架飞往月球上人类的飞机：66年
大规模的生物医学推广将让人工智能帮助我们。https://t.co/nkoeQAjfWI

There's an element of "we compete where we must" (eg. if your happy sunshine movement advocates making financial privacy globally illegal, then sorry but I will fight you), but I think the room for cooperation, and for cross-tribal appreciation, is larger than many people think.

有一个元素是“我们必须在哪里竞争”（例如，如果你的快乐阳光运动主张在全球范围内侵犯金融隐私，那么很抱歉，我会与你斗争），但我认为合作和跨部落欣赏的空间比许多人想象的要大。

I guess the conclusion is, peacekeeping and cooperation-seeking needs to be an explicit effort rather than peace being an assumed default.

我想结论是，维持和平和寻求合作需要是一种明确的努力，而不是假定和平是默认的。

As @balajis loves to say, "live and let live" can be upgraded to "win and help win".

正如@balajis喜欢说的那样，“让生活吧”可以升级为“赢和帮助赢”。

BTW I strongly agree with the sentiment.
Like, even selfishly speaking, a nuclear bunker could stop a nuke from killing me directly, but it can't stop the nuclear war from destroying the scientific ecosystem that I'm counting on to cure aging before I succumb to it in ~60 years.

顺便说一句，我非常同意这种看法。
就像，即使自私地说，核掩体也可以阻止核武器直接杀死我，但它无法阻止核战争破坏科学生态系统，我指望在60年后屈服于它之前治愈衰老。

I do think that many people disagree less than they think. Eg. @glenweyl @balajis fight a lot, but when I talk to them, both have a strong "we're all in this together" attitude: this century either all of humanity rises or all of humanity falls.
That's a key point of agreement!

我确实认为许多人的分歧比他们想象的要小。格伦·威尔（glenweyl）和巴拉吉（balajis）经常打架，但当我与他们交谈时，他们都有一种强烈的“我们都在一起”的态度：本世纪要么全人类崛起，要么全人类衰落。
这是达成一致的关键点！

One thing is that I think people working in any of the "big movements" should more actively think about offering olive branches: how can you make what you're building 10% more palatable to the other side?

一件事是，我认为在任何一个“大运动”中工作的人都应该更积极地考虑伸出橄榄枝：如何让你正在建造的东西对另一方来说更美味10%？

But we also have to keep the peace between the big groups, and navigate the reality that many of these movements really do contain, in their worst versions, threats to each other's visions of a bright future for humanity.

但是，我们还必须保持各大集团之间的和平，并面对这样一个现实，即许多这些运动在最糟糕的版本中确实包含着对彼此对人类光明未来的憧憬的威胁。

Another example might be the ethereum identity space (@signinwitheth + ENS + POAPs + maybe soon SBTs).
These smaller spaces can help create new optimistic visions for the future *and* create something that people can be part of without also being part of the financialized cruft. https://t.co/RCNI2XlSnt

另一个例子可能是以太坊标识空间（@signinwithth+ENS+POAPs+maybe some-SBTs）。
这些较小的空间有助于为未来创造新的乐观愿景，创造人们可以参与的东西，而不必成为金融化的积垢的一部分。https://t.co/RCNI2XlSnt

One path is to focus more on the newer and smaller sub-movements, that are more opinionated about their values. The "regen finance" movement in ethereum (big credit to @gitcoin @proofofhumanity and now @optimismPBC, arguably @MolochDAO too) is one great example.

一种方法是更多地关注更新和更小的次级运动，这些次级运动对其价值观更加固执己见。以太坊（ethereum）的“再生金融”（regen finance）运动就是一个很好的例子（“gitcoin”证明了人性，现在又被称为“optimismPBC”，也可以说是“MolochDAO”）。

I'm inclined to believe it's some of all of those causes, and they are interrelated. But what can we *do* about this?

我倾向于相信这是所有这些原因中的一部分，它们是相互关联的。但我们能做些什么呢？