@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt I mean, I can understand the confusion, but how does this even matter?
The virus changed. We're not dealing with the virus where the vaccines are 90% effective even against symptomatic disease. It's much lower at this point, maybe 50% at best with a booster.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquin@andyaschmidt我的意思是，我能理解这种困惑，但这又有什么关系呢？
病毒改变了。我们不是在应对病毒，因为疫苗即使对症状性疾病也有90%的有效性。在这一点上要低得多，用助推器最多可能是50%。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt You were told bad information, I can't help you.
FDA and CDC didn't say that, vax manufactures didn't. Project Warp Speed didn't.
I'm not really sure who misled you.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquin@andyaschmidt有人告诉你坏消息，我帮不了你。
FDA和CDC没有这样说，vax制造商没有。Project Warp Speed没有这样说。
我不确定是谁误导了你。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt The mix probably varies by local vax rate, boost rate, etc.
The point is the surge itself has impact on everyone, so we take measures to reduce that impact.
One method would be to mandate everyone get vaxed, or deny health care to unvaxed. We don't chose those methods.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquin@和Yaschmidt混合可能因本地vax速率、增压速率等而不同。
关键是激增本身对每个人都有影响，所以我们采取措施减少这种影响。
一种方法是强制每个人都接受VAX，或者拒绝向未接受VAX的人提供医疗保健。我们没有选择那些方法。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt If those facilities are restricting visitors (unlikely this is a legal restriction) they're doing it to cope with a surge, so again, societal impact.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquin@和Yaschmidt如果这些设施限制游客（这不太可能是法律限制），他们这样做是为了应对激增的社会影响。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt Societal impact means everyone. My cousin is vaxxed and boosted. She's still impacted because hospitals have to delay surgeries to cope with a surge, largely among unvaxed.
We're all connected.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquin@andyaschmidt社会影响意味着每个人。我的表弟很兴奋，很兴奋。她仍然受到影响，因为医院不得不推迟手术，以应对激增的人群，其中大部分是未经征税的人群。
我们都有联系。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt ^ That was in March. Vaccines started in December. By March it still wasn't known if vaccines would stop transmission.
So I don't know who told you to tell patients we did know that, but they were wrong.
@那是在三月份。疫苗于12月开始接种。到3月份，还不知道疫苗是否能阻止传播。
所以我不知道是谁让你告诉病人我们知道，但他们错了。
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@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt Among other reasons, because of societal impact.
My cousin needs neck surgery and is in pain (on meds) and losing the use of her arm. It's been rescheduled twice due to covid.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquin@和Yaschmidt还有其他原因，因为社会影响。
我的表姐需要做颈部手术，她（在吃药时）感到疼痛，失去了手臂的功能。由于新冠肺炎，已经两次改期了。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt No you weren't. You were told to keep your mask on because it wasn't whether vaccines would stop transmission. Later on the opposite was claimed. Perhaps it was true at the time (to an extent), but the virus and vaccine efficacy is not static, both changed.
Cope.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquinn@和Yaschmidt不，你没有。你被告知要戴上口罩，因为这不是疫苗能否阻止传播。后来有人提出相反的要求。也许当时（在某种程度上）确实如此，但病毒和疫苗的效力并不是一成不变的，两者都发生了变化。
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@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt Because covid vaccines are very ineffective against transmission, measles vaccines are very effective against transmission. Measles is very contained apart from episodic localized outbreaks. Different pathogen, different response.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquinn@andyaschmidt因为新冠病毒疫苗对传播非常无效，麻疹疫苗对传播非常有效。除了偶发的局部暴发外，麻疹得到了很好的控制。不同的病原体，不同的反应。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt Measles vaccines are very effective against transmission, covid vaccines are not. Measles is also more responsive to contact tracing and ring vaccination due to longer incubation period. The response to each pathogen is going to be different.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquinn@和Yaschmidt麻疹疫苗对传播非常有效，而新冠疫苗则不是。由于潜伏期较长，麻疹对接触追踪和环形疫苗接种也更敏感。对每种病原体的反应将是不同的。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt No one freaks out about measles on a regular basis because there aren't outbreaks on a regular basis because vaccine rates are extremely high, vaccines have a large effect on transmission, and outbreaks have been aggressively suppressed for years. None is true for SC2 (in west)
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquin@andyaschmidt没有人经常对麻疹感到恐慌，因为没有经常爆发麻疹，因为疫苗接种率极高，疫苗对传播有很大影响，而且多年来疫情一直被积极抑制。SC2（在西方）没有一个是正确的
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt Cloth masks is a straw man, BTW. It's a bare minimum standard and sometimes not even that. When you mandate that people wear some mask, many wear something better than a cloth mask in practice. I'm sure it varies by region but I see a lot more wearing KN95s now (not mandated).
@顺便说一句，tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquin@andyaschmidt布料口罩是一个稻草人。这只是一个简单的最低标准，有时甚至不是这样。当你要求人们戴口罩时，实际上很多人戴的口罩比布面具好。我相信不同地区的服装有所不同，但我现在看到更多的人穿着KN95（不是强制要求的）。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt I'm not an expert on the effectiveness of the measures that Denmark put into place for Omicron as an additional layer on top of vaccination. You would have to ask them if they think it was effective.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquin@andyaschmidt我不是丹麦为奥米克龙采取的措施有效性方面的专家，该措施是疫苗接种的附加层。你必须问他们是否认为这是有效的。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt Other nations do the same thing. Denmark dropped all covid measures in September, only to bring them back when needed, and then dropped them again. That's how it goes. Going forward, we'll see. No one can promise you a return to 2019.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquin@和Yaschmidt其他国家也做同样的事情。丹麦在9月份取消了所有新冠肺炎措施，只是在需要时才恢复，然后再次取消。事情就是这样。展望未来，我们拭目以待。没有人能保证你回到2019年。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt Actually people do 'freak out' about measles outbreaks. There is a large response every time it happens, as it did several years ago in California which led to major changes in vaccine mandates, or in 2019 in NY.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquinn@andyaschmidt实际上人们对麻疹爆发感到“抓狂”。每次这种情况发生时，都会有很大的反应，就像几年前加州的情况一样，导致疫苗授权发生重大变化，或是2019年纽约的情况。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt These are all adaptations to the trajectory of the pandemic. That will change over time but it isn't going to just go away. As with increased immune evasion with Omicron and increased severity with Delta, things may get worse at times, or better at others. There's no schedule.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquinn@和Yaschmidt这些都是对大流行轨迹的适应。这会随着时间的推移而改变，但不会就此消失。随着奥米克罗的免疫逃避增加和Delta的严重性增加，情况有时会变得更糟，有时会更好。没有时间表。
@tiggerbluedevil @mskathleenquinn @andyaschmidt I don't know where you live but most parts of the global west people are not restricted or so minimally restricted that it affects hardly anyone's life on a daily basis. Some are masked up yes, in response to a surge. That'll likely go away when surge recedes, may return later.
@tiggerbluedevil@mskathleenquinn@andyaschmidt我不知道你住在哪里，但全球大部分西方国家的人没有受到限制，或者限制得太少，以至于几乎没有人每天都会受到影响。有些人被掩盖了，是的，是为了应对激增。当浪涌消退时，这种情况可能会消失，稍后可能会再次出现。