@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen One thing I've noticed that is extremely odd is that types of masks seems to vary so much from place to place, definitely by city and over time and even sometimes by neighborhood.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen我注意到一件非常奇怪的事情，就是面具的类型似乎因地而异，肯定是因城市和时间的推移，有时甚至因社区而异。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen The latter likely doesn't of course, but when you say lots it's important to quantify that. Even if we take those as unmasked entirely, (meaningful) masking still seems to increase a lot with a mandate in practice.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen后者当然不太可能，但当你说很多的时候，量化这些是很重要的。即使我们把这些视为完全没有遮罩的，但在实践中，有意义的遮罩似乎仍然会增加很多。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen There are a bunch of papers in the CDC briefing materials that speak to mandates, and also to a relationship between level of usage and size of effect (relationship of level of usage to mandates is very obvious, in practice).
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen在CDC简报材料中有一堆论文涉及授权，也涉及使用水平和效果大小之间的关系（在实践中，使用水平与授权之间的关系非常明显）。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen Perhaps. Mandates don't mean people wear the crappiest mask either, so there is all sorts of uncertainty here. Most of the evidence base on which these policies are based are pretty loose on types of masks but suggest some benefit from broad use. Not the only path, I agree.
@也许是RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen。授权也不意味着人们戴着最糟糕的面具，所以这里有各种各样的不确定性。这些政策所依据的大部分证据都与口罩的类型有关，但都表明广泛使用口罩会带来一些好处。我同意，这不是唯一的途径。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen I think from a policy perspective we just have to grant that mainstream consensus and CDC presented "evidence" is that masks do work to an extent for the purpose indicated. I wouldn't suggest that for praying, but then, some would disagree...
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen我认为，从政策角度来看，我们必须承认主流共识，CDC提供的“证据”是，口罩确实在一定程度上起到了指定的作用。我不建议你祈祷，但有些人会不同意。。。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen I mean it doesn't have to be masks, there are other measures to do the same thing, and the moderate ones (short of broad closures) usually poll fine too. They're usually perceived as more costly, and probably are (but that's somewhat subjective I suppose).
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen我的意思是，不一定要戴口罩，还有其他措施可以做同样的事情，而温和的措施（不包括大范围的关闭）通常也很好。他们通常被认为成本更高，而且很可能是（但我认为这有点主观）。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen The justification is societal impact of the contagion, burden on health systems (not necessarily that they are bursting at the seams, which should never even happen, even moderate added burden is significant), workplace safety, worker absence, etc. Totally clear.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen理由是传染病的社会影响、对卫生系统的负担（不一定是因为卫生系统正在崩溃，这根本不应该发生，即使是适度的额外负担也很重要）、工作场所安全、工人缺勤等。这一点是完全清楚的。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen Also, numerically it's not even that "sizable" in the heavily blue areas where these mandates even exist. Dems poll something like 90-10 usually. Polls are not perfect, you're right. But they're not THAT flawed. They're just not.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen同样，从数字上来说，在这些授权存在的深蓝色区域，它甚至没有那么“大”。民主党的民意调查通常是90-10。民意调查并不完美，你是对的。但它们并没有那么缺陷。他们只是没有。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen This sort of disconnect between opinion about what should be done generally and individual action not done because perceived to be insignificant or inconvenient happens all the time, and is a natural motivation for all sorts of policy.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen这种关于一般应该做什么的观点与由于被认为无关紧要或不方便而没有做的个人行动之间的脱节一直在发生，并且是各种政策的自然动机。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen That aside, I really don't understand why you have a problem with the concept that people see a situation that is out of hand, and believe that everyone should be wearing a mask to help, but individually doing so won't make enough difference to motivate individual action.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen撇开这一点不谈，我真的不明白你为什么会有这样一种观念，即人们看到一种无法控制的情况，认为每个人都应该戴口罩来帮助，但单独这样做并不能产生足够的差异来激励个人的行动。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen But the thing is, SHE is the one claiming the public doesn't support the mandates, and there is just NO evidence for that at all. This doesn't originate with the public, it is something that is being sold to the public, and that's exactly her motive for saying it at all.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen但问题是，她是那个声称公众不支持这些规定的人，而且根本没有证据证明这一点。这并不是源于公众，而是向公众出售的东西，这正是她说这话的动机。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen That doesn't follow either. It's rare that people are one issue voters, and polling on this issue even assuming it is correctly doesn't at all imply it is a particularly important issue for those voters.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen，这两个词都没有出现。很少有人是一个问题的选民，对这个问题进行投票，即使假设它是正确的，也并不意味着它对这些选民来说是一个特别重要的问题。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen But if it makes you feel better to think that many different polls at different times and places asking different populations slightly different versions of the question are all "dodgy" and policies are just the same as what will people do anyway, carry on.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen但是如果你觉得在不同的时间和地点，许多不同的民意调查询问不同的人群，问题的不同版本都是“不可靠的”，政策和人们无论如何都会做什么是一样的，那就继续吧。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen There are plenty of situations where there is just NO enforcement at all, like inside malls and such. People still wear the mask a lot more when there is a mandate (often with large behavior change within a day or two) then when there isn't.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen在很多情况下根本没有强制执行，比如在购物中心等。当有任务时（通常在一两天内行为发生巨大变化），人们戴口罩的次数仍然比没有任务时多得多。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen That's the reality, sorry.
A lot of it is just inertia and going with the flow. If more people felt strongly about not wearing masks, they wouldn't either in cases of mandates that are barely or not at all enforced, but many do.
@RidleyDM@DrLeanaWen这是事实，抱歉。
很多都是惯性和随波逐流。如果更多的人强烈要求不戴口罩，他们也不会在几乎没有或根本没有强制执行的情况下戴口罩，但许多人确实戴了口罩。
@RidleyDM @DrLeanaWen These are two different questions. Many people support a mandate and are happy to abide by a mandate but don't act accordingly on their own when there is no mandate and others aren't doing so either. Herd mentality is a real thing.
@这是两个不同的问题。许多人支持授权，并乐于遵守授权，但在没有授权，其他人也没有这样做的情况下，他们自己不会采取相应的行动。从众心理是真实存在的。