@thereal_truther @AndrewGutmann No lockdown, no lockdown deaths, right?
Or no?
@thereal_truther@AndrewGutmann没有封锁,没有封锁死亡,对吗?
还是不?
@thereal_truther @AndrewGutmann No lockdown, no lockdown deaths, right?
Or no?
@thereal_truther@AndrewGutmann没有封锁,没有封锁死亡,对吗?
还是不?
@AndrewGutmann @thereal_truther Not worthy of a response on raw excess mortality alone.
@AndrewGutmann@thereal_truther不值得仅仅对原始的过度死亡率做出回应。
@JG80240227 @alexmeshkin No hospitals, no hospitalizations
@JG80240227@Alexmeskin无医院,无住院
@thereal_truther There's even more to it than that. There were tens of millions of people sick AT ONE TIME during peak Omicron in January, similar to the number of people who get the flu spread over an entire flu season. The former has vastly more disruptive impact on the functioning of society.
@thereal_truther还有更多的事情要做。在1月份的Omicron高峰期,有数千万人同时患病,与流感在整个流感季节传播的人数相似。前者对社会运行的破坏性影响要大得多。
@kenlipartito @__philipn__ @j_g_allen "Effective" vs "not effective" isn't a useful characterization. It's a gradation unless you hit 100% of 0%, neither being the case.
@kenlipartito__;u philipn__;j_;g_allen“有效”与“无效”并不是一个有用的描述。这是一个等级,除非你达到了0%的100%,两者都不是。
@trendless It didn't have many problems prior to Omicron. Delta a little bit, but it was easily manageable.
@在Omicron之前,trendless It没有太多问题。德尔塔有一点,但它很容易管理。
@LesleyanneRyan @CliveClarke18 @sylviajh14 @BerkeleyScribe @kinneret @NightShiftMD That, and definitely surgical masks and even reasonable (tightly woven or non-woven multilayer) cloth masks do filter micron particles. Don't feed the troll. https://t.co/S6zdg4RV7B
@LesleyanneRyan@CliveClarke18@sylviajh14@BerkeleyScribe@kinneret@NightShiftMD,手术口罩,甚至合理的(紧密编织或非编织多层)布口罩都能过滤微米颗粒。不要喂巨魔。https://t.co/S6zdg4RV7B
@piratefoxy @thesecondellen @denise_dewald Don't blame the messenger here, but Joe could try that. Whatever he has been doing hasn't been working, that's for sure.
@piratefoxy@thesecondellen@denise_dewald不要责怪这里的信使,但乔可以试试。他所做的一切都没有起作用,这是肯定的。
@trendless @Mr_Inquisitr @drensber @ann_mcnitt @ignorantprophet @ayshakhoury @CIDRAP Correction: I didn't see that NZ was listed. It does not have particularly high masking, and didn't use masks earlier in the pandemic, and locked down hard during previous (limited) outbreaks, so not really comparable.
@trendless@Mr_Inquisitr@drensber@ann_mcnitt@ignorantprophet@ayshakhoury@CIDRAP更正:我没有看到新西兰上市。它没有特别高的掩蔽率,在大流行早期也没有使用口罩,在之前(有限的)疫情期间也被严格锁定,因此没有真正的可比性。
@trendless @Mr_Inquisitr @drensber @ann_mcnitt @ignorantprophet @ayshakhoury @CIDRAP South Korea has a reasonable number of people using KF94s too, but not all.
@没有潮流的@Mr_Inquisitr@drensber@ann_mcnitt@ignorantprophet@ayshakhoury@CIDRAP韩国也有相当数量的人使用KF94,但不是全部。
@trendless @Mr_Inquisitr @drensber @ann_mcnitt @ignorantprophet @ayshakhoury @CIDRAP Baggy blues are in the graphic at the top of this thread, claiming that Omicron would spread less than Delta.
These places all have high masking. For example, IHME composite mask poll data for South Korea (see scale at left!) https://t.co/LrjVj2KbaJ
@无趋势@Mr_Inquisitr@drensber@ann_mcnitt@ignorantprophet@ayshakhoury@CIDRAP宽松的蓝色在这条线的顶部的图形中,声称Omicron的传播范围小于Delta。
这些地方都有很高的掩蔽度。例如,韩国的IHME复合口罩民意调查数据(见左图比例!)https://t.co/LrjVj2KbaJ
@wsbgnl @LisaForKansas https://t.co/oInkCRslW2
@wsbgnl@LisaForKansashttps://t.co/oInkCRslW2
@wsbgnl @LisaForKansas That, and that it's often impossible/impractical to use it effectively in real world situations, as I mentioned before (due to need for the "one way" to remote their mask). It doesn't matter, it's being pushed as a talking point, not a real strategy.
@wsbgnl@LisaForKansas,而且在现实世界中有效地使用它通常是不可能的/不切实际的,正如我前面提到的(因为需要“一种方法”来远程控制他们的面具)。没关系,这只是一个话题,而不是真正的策略。
@trendless @Mr_Inquisitr @drensber @ann_mcnitt @ignorantprophet @ayshakhoury @CIDRAP Somebody asked a similar question in the thread, but no reply.
https://twitter.com/rorynotsor...
@BagheriMos @EberhardBodens1 How come this didnt match real world data. There has been no correlation between case rates and masking policies between countries or states or cities with different masking policies.
Look at China, NZ and South Korea now.
With Delta you could literally see curve flattened.
@没有潮流的@Mr_Inquisitr@drensber@ann_mcnitt@ignorantprophet@ayshakhoury@CIDRAP有人在帖子中问了一个类似的问题,但没有回答。
https://twitter.com/rorynotsor...
@BagheriMos@EberhardBodens1为什么这与真实世界的数据不符。不同掩盖政策的国家或州或城市之间的病例率和掩盖政策之间没有相关性。
现在看看中国、新西兰和韩国。
使用Delta,你可以看到曲线变平。
@trendless @Mr_Inquisitr @drensber @ann_mcnitt @ignorantprophet @ayshakhoury @CIDRAP No idea. Perhaps viral load in LRT doesn't contribute much to transmission, but I don't really know.
@没有潮流的@Mr_Inquisitr@drensber@ann_mcnitt@ignorantprophet@ayshakhoury@CIDRAP不知道。也许LRT病毒载量对传播没有多大影响,但我真的不知道。
@LisaForKansas @wsbgnl In terms of public awareness, no one with a high profile (much less PSAs) says to look on youtube to learn how to use them.
It's part of the "one way masking" sham. There is no diligent effort to protect people, it is mostly being used as an excuse to REMOVE other protections.
@LisaForKansas@wsbgnl就公众意识而言,没有一个高调的人(更不用说PSA)说要在youtube上学习如何使用它们。
这是“单向掩蔽”伪装的一部分。人们没有勤勉地保护人民,这主要是被用来作为借口,取消其他保护措施。
@LisaForKansas @wsbgnl It CAN be, but honestly I've seen many people not even bother with the nose clip. Their fit factor is definitely terrible. They're wearing a N95, KN95 or similar without any mandate, so their intent is to try to be protected, but without good information, not succeeding much.
@LisaForKansas@wsbgnl是可以的,但老实说,我见过很多人甚至不用鼻子夹。他们的健康状况绝对糟糕。他们在没有任何授权的情况下佩戴N95、KN95或类似产品,因此他们的意图是试图受到保护,但没有良好的信息,不会取得太大成功。
@trendless @Mr_Inquisitr @drensber @ann_mcnitt @ignorantprophet @ayshakhoury @CIDRAP Honestly that seems very questionable. It contradicts the real world observation of Omicron transmitting more across a variety of locations with different masks usages, so some of the assumptions are probably wrong.
@没有潮流的@Mr_Inquisitr@drensber@ann_mcnitt@ignorantprophet@ayshakhoury@CIDRAP老实说,这似乎很可疑。这与现实世界中观察到的Omicron通过不同的口罩用途在不同的地点传播更多信息的现象相矛盾,因此一些假设可能是错误的。
@DanPriceSeattle Both do but it depends on the numbers. All of these companies have far more than 1000 employees, I think.
@但这取决于人数。我认为,所有这些公司都有1000多名员工。