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16. It's fascinating how the two axes seem to imply each other:
Pure tinkering is fast and effective, but it is unprincipled, so lacks large-scale legitimacy, so can only cooperate through centralization
Theorycel thinking is slower, but well-suited for decentralization

16.这两个轴似乎相互暗示,这很有趣:
纯粹的修补是快速有效的,但它没有原则,因此缺乏大规模的合法性,因此只能通过集中进行合作
理论思维较慢,但非常适合分散化

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

15. See also: Peter Thiel's idea that "crypto is libertarian, AI is communist"
https://www.inc.com/sonya-mann...

15.另见:Peter Thiel的观点,“加密是自由意志,人工智能是共产主义”
https://www.inc.com/sonya-mann...

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

14. So to summarize, I do think crypto is heavy on shape rotating and "crypto is theorycels who have accomplished nothing but scams" vastly undersells what crypto is situated to accomplish, but the crypto vs AI dichotomy also does point to something really important.

14.总而言之,我确实认为加密技术非常注重形状旋转,“加密技术是只会骗局的理论家”,这大大低估了加密技术要实现的目标,但加密技术与人工智能的二分法也指出了一些真正重要的东西。

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

13. But crypto isn't just team theorycel. Crypto is certainly very theorycel compared to AI (and as I argue above, that's its *advantage*), but it also does a lot of shape rotation (which is crypto's advantage compared to much more purely wordcel-driven trad institutions)

13.但加密技术不仅仅是团队理论。与人工智能相比,Crypto无疑是非常理论化的(正如我上面所说,这是它的*优势*),但它也有很多形状旋转(这是Crypto相比于更纯粹的wordcel驱动的贸易机构的优势)

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

12. And why I ultimately do think liberal democracies are much more well-suited to be the center of a "world order" than autocracies. A world where the center is a centralized black box is scary.
(But democracies do need to actually follow principles to keep their legitimacy)

12.以及为什么我最终认为自由民主政体比专制政体更适合成为“世界秩序”的中心。一个以黑匣子为中心的世界是可怕的。
(但民主国家确实需要遵循原则以保持其合法性)

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

11. Theory is transparent and legible to outsiders, tinkering is opaque. Hence why crypto (the blockchains, not the applications on top of them) really has gained quite a bit of public trust, while AI has largely failed at achieving that goal.

11.理论对外人来说是透明和易读的,修补是不透明的。因此,为什么加密技术(区块链,而不是其上的应用程序)真的获得了相当多的公众信任,而人工智能在很大程度上未能实现这一目标。

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

10. To be clear, I think there are important good things that come out of taking theorycel aesthetics seriously, and people who don't suffer for it. A really big one is credible neutrality:
https://nakamoto.com/credible-...

10.说清楚一点,我认为认真对待理论美学会带来一些重要的好处,而人们不会因此而受苦。真正重要的一点是可信的中立:
https://nakamoto.com/credible-...

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

9. One interesting parallel is @MacaesBruno's "black box" as a metaphor for how philosophy works in China, and why AI is attractive there. Very low on theorycel aesthetics, high on "just keep shape rotating until it seems to work"
https://brunomacaes.substack.c...
https://www.politico.eu/blogs/... https://t.co/coyHqEuBTW

9.一个有趣的类比是@MacaesBruno的“黑匣子”,它隐喻了哲学在中国的运作方式,以及人工智能在中国的吸引力。非常低的理论美学,高的“只是保持形状旋转,直到它似乎工作”
https://brunomacaes.substack.c...
https://www.politico.eu/blogs/... https://t.co/coyHqEuBTW

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

8. Meanwhile, AI is the exact opposite. It really does produce wonders, but we can't explain how it works, and there's far more unprincipled tinkering than theory.
And to be fair, the unprincipled approach does cause problems that crypto doesn't have!
https://christophm.github.io/i...

8.与此同时,人工智能正好相反。它确实产生了奇迹,但我们无法解释它是如何工作的,而且没有原则的修补远远多于理论。
公平地说,这种无原则的方法确实会带来加密所没有的问题!
https://christophm.github.io/i...

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

7. Crypto thinking about decentralization is similar. It's all about avoiding ugly unprincipled exceptions (in a centralized system, who gets to be the center?)
Focus is on proving hard unconditional security models (eg. secure unless >= 1/3 of stake is malicious)

7.加密对去中心化的思考是类似的。这一切都是为了避免丑陋的、无原则的例外(在一个集中的系统中,谁能成为中心?)
重点在于证明硬的无条件安全模型(例如,除非>;=1/3的股份是恶意的,否则是安全的)

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

6. The core instinct is: we need a formal system of rights and limits that treats everyone equally and doesn't make unprincipled exceptions. You can't enslave or steal, so the government should not be able to enslave (conscription) or steal (taxation) either.

6.核心本能是:我们需要一个正式的权利和限制体系,平等对待每个人,不做出无原则的例外。你不能奴役或偷窃,所以政府也不能奴役(征兵)或偷窃(税收)。

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

5. There's also something deeper going on. Zeroing in now on the phrase "theorycel aesthetic sensibilities".
A lot of early crypto ideology was inspired by libertarianism, eg. Bastiat, Mises, Rothbard... which cares *a lot* about theorycel aesthetic vision of equality.

5.还有更深层次的问题。现在把重点放在“理论的审美情感”上。
许多早期的加密思想都受到自由意志主义的启发,如巴斯夏、米塞斯、罗斯巴德。。。它非常关心关于平等的理论美学观点。

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

4. But to many others, crypto means this:
https://palladiummag.com/2022/...
I do think high fees are a major culprit; they make interesting and cool apps too expensive so hyperfinancialized apps win out. I'm hopeful that successful scaling over the next 2y will fix this.
But anyway...

4.但对许多其他人来说,加密意味着:
https://palladiummag.com/2022/...
我确实认为高收费是一个主要原因;他们制作有趣又酷的应用太贵了,所以超金融化的应用胜出了。我希望在接下来的2年中成功地扩展将解决这个问题。
但不管怎样。。。

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

3. One important issue is that "crypto" means different things to different people.
To me, the core of "crypto" is the tech and mechanisms. ZK-SNARKs, BLS, auction models, x*y=k, quadratic funding... shape rotating all the way
Pairings literally use 12-dimensional curve twists! https://t.co/t89S1BzhXf

3.一个重要的问题是,“加密”对不同的人意味着不同的东西。
对我来说,“加密”的核心是技术和机制。ZK SNARKs,BLS,拍卖模型,x*y=k,二次融资。。。形状一路旋转
配对实际上使用12维曲线扭曲!https://t.co/t89S1BzhXf

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

2. Here's the explainer on "wordcels vs shape rotators". If you're confused, read this first.
https://roonscape.substack.com...
Now, back to the topic...

2.以下是“wordcels vs shape rotators”的讲解。如果你感到困惑,请先阅读这篇文章。
https://roonscape.substack.com...
现在,回到主题。。。

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

1. Thinking about this tweet lately. Here we have someone with a "tech people vs word people" dichotomy, but unlike @balajis and all the others who do this, crypto ends up on the side of... the word people.
This is not my image of what crypto is! So what's going on? https://twitter.com/tszzl/stat...

deep learning vs crypto is a clear divide of rotators vs wordcels. the former offends theorycel aesthetic sensibilities but empirically works to produce absurd miracles. the latter is an insane series of nerd traps and sky high abstraction ladders yet mostly scams

发表时间:2年前 作者:roon @tszzl

1.想想最近的这条推文。在这里,我们有一个“技术人员与文字人员”二分法的人,但与@balajis和其他所有这样做的人不同,crypto最终站在了。。。“人”这个词。
这不是我对加密技术的印象!怎么回事?https://twitter.com/tszzl/stat...

深度学习与加密是旋转器与字单元的明显区别。前者冒犯了理论上的审美敏感性,但在经验上却创造了荒谬的奇迹。后者是一系列疯狂的书呆子陷阱和天高的抽象梯子,但大多是骗局

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

EIP by @dankrad to deactivate SELFDESTRUCT: https://github.com/ethereum/EI...
Alternate version: https://github.com/ethereum/EI...
See also, my earlier piece on why removing or neutering the SELFDESTRUCT opcode is a good idea: https://hackmd.io/@vbuterin/se... https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/s...

@ethereum @parithosh_j @vdWijden @lightclients @peter_szilagyi @alexberegszaszi @EthMagicians @greg_colvin @nethermindeth @VitalikButerin @protolambda @adietrichs @EthereumDenver @dankrad The first is straightforward: simply deactivate the opcode: https://github.com/ethereum/EI...

发表时间:2年前 作者:Tim Beiko | timbeiko.eth 🔥🧱 @TimBeiko

@dankrad的EIP将停用自毁:https://github.com/ethereum/EI...
替代版本:https://github.com/ethereum/EI...
另请参见我之前的一篇文章,关于为什么移除或清除自毁操作码是个好主意:https://hackmd.io/@B子宫素/见。。。https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/s...

@以太坊@parithosh_j@vdWijden@lightclients@peter_szilagyi@alexberegszaszi@ethmagicss@greg_colvin@nethermindeth@VitalikButerin@protolambda@aditerichs@etherumdenver@dankrad第一个很简单:只需停用操作码:https://github.com/ethereum/EI...

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

See also: an excellent explainer by @epolynya on how the whole scaling thing is going to happen.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ether... https://t.co/WKnn5uqnHO

另请参见@epolynya对整个缩放过程的出色解释。
https://old.reddit.com/r/ether... https://t.co/WKnn5uqnHO

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

Some proposals to add "blob-carrying transactions" in a near-future hard fork, bringing higher scalability to rollups before full sharding is complete. https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/s...

@ethereum @parithosh_j @vdWijden @lightclients @peter_szilagyi @alexberegszaszi @EthMagicians @greg_colvin @nethermindeth @VitalikButerin The first approach makes only the minimum amount of changes for this to be supported by EL clients: https://notes.ethereum.org/@vb...

发表时间:2年前 作者:Tim Beiko | timbeiko.eth 🔥🧱 @TimBeiko

一些人建议在不久的将来的硬分叉中添加“带blob的事务”,在完整分片完成之前为汇总带来更高的可伸缩性。https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/s...

@以太坊@parithosh_j@vdWijden@lightclients@peter_szilagyi@alexberegszaszi@Ethmagics@greg_colvin@nethermindeth@VitalikButerin第一种方法仅对EL客户支持的这一点进行了最低限度的更改:https://notes.ethereum.org/@vb。。。

发表时间:2年前 作者:Vitalik Non-giver of Ether @VitalikButerin详情

RT: Another @ethereum #AllCoreDevs wrapped up this morning. Deep dives into The Merge & Shanghai, one of my favorite calls in a while 😁 Def recommend the full recording as the signal/noise ratio was very high. If you don't have 90 mins, here's a recap! https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/s...

RT:另一个@ethereum#AllCoreDevs今天早上结束了。深入合并&;上海,一段时间以来我最喜欢的电话之一😁 由于信噪比非常高,Def建议进行完整录制。如果你没有90分钟的时间,这里是一个总结!https://twitter.com/TimBeiko/s...

发表时间:2年前 作者:Ethereum @ethereum详情